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OK... seeing as quite a few topics seem to be going astray to this subject from their original topic, I've created this for everyone to post their ideas for the EA side. After someone makes a post here with some ideas, i'll edit this post to show it, similar to Max's "Aircraft Armament" thread, but unlocked and just idea's, not specific units. Oh, and I know max has the "Possibilities" for EA planes in his Aircraft topic, so I dunno if max would want to keep Aircraft ideas in his topic, or should they co-exist, keeping this one for generating the ideas, an if Max likes them, putting them in his.
I'll probably post some examples of what I mean sometime tomorrow, but for now, PLEASE try and keep all discussion for it in here, keeping it tidy. Alternatively, we could have this as an Ideas-only thread, and a different one for discussion... but we'll just see how this goes

Oh, and if this takes off, Sticky-ing it would be nice.

OK then, onto the List:

TANKS:

  • Leopard 1A5 - Entered service 1987
    Pic 1 Pic 2
    Main Gun - 105 mm Rifled Barrel - APFSDS, ???
    Secondary Guns - 2 x 7.62 mm MG 3 (1x co-axial, 1x commander hatch)
    Max Speed - 65 km/h~


  • Leopard 2A4 - Entered service 1985
    Pic 1 - Thanks Shad Pic 2 - Thanks Finni
    Main Gun - 120mm?
    Secondary Guns - 2x MG3 7.62 (1x Co-Axial MG, 1x Top of Turret)
    Max Speed - 70 km/h~


  • AMX 10 - Entered Service - 1977
    Pic 1. WARNING! Large image Alert! Pic 2
    Main Gun: 105 mm BK MECA L/48 (38 rounds)
    Secondary Guns: AA 7.62mm NF1 co-axial machine gun, 4 smoke generators. 12.7-mm M2HB AA MG on some models (Upgrade, anyone?)
    Max Speed - 85 km/h on road, 25-30 km/h off-road
    Notes - Amphibious, NBC Protection. Armour Add-on and Anti-Missle Systems added for GW1 (1991), could be an upgrade as it could have been added in a "WW3" situation... unless the tech wasn't invented then.


  • AMX 30 - Entered Service - ????
    Pic 1 pIC 2
    Main Gun - 105 mm Modele F2 tank gun
    Secondary Guns - 7.62 mm machine gun
    Max Speed - 65 km/h on road
    Notes - Similar to AMX-10, some Artillery Versions, and a Tactical-Nuke launcher (PLUTON)!

  • Panhard ERC - Entered Service - Many versions (????)
    - No Pics Yet -

    AIRCRAFT:

  • SEPECAT Jaguar
    Type: Close Air Support

    "MULTIPURPOSE VERSION"
    8x 454kg GP bomb

    "ANTI-TANK VERSION"
    6x BL.775 cluster bomb

    Versions are changeable between sorties.

    "SELF DEFENSE UPGRADE" adds
    2 x Raytheon AIM-9L Sidewinder
    Short Range Air to Air Missile

    - used by UK and France, effective CAS and BAI aircraft.

  • Tornado ADV
    Type: Interceptor

    4x Sky Flash
    Medium Range Air to Air Missile
    4 x Raytheon AIM-9L Sidewinder
    Short Range Air to Air Missile

    - used by UK, Germany and Italy (not sure about the versions) was a interceptor. Sky Flash was a 'knock off' of AIM-7E2 Sparrow, with a short range (45km) but higher ECCM capability. Seems to be outranged by both the Mig-29 and the Su-27. Sturdy and equipped with good ECM however. (should equal things out a bit).

  • Tornado IDS
    Type: Battlefield Air Intrediction Aircraft

    "ANTI-RUNWAY VERSION"
    2x JP233 dispenser

    "ANTI-TANK VERSION"
    1x MW-1 dispenser

    "SELF DEFENSE UPGRADE" adds
    2 x Raytheon AIM-9L Sidewinder
    Short Range Air to Air Missile

    - The JP233 container carried 30 cratering bombs and 213 small mines for destroying runways. Im not sure how this should be implemented. At very worst just make it a mine dispenser.
    - The MW-1 is a 4.5ton container holding 4,500 anti-tank bomblets. When dispersed it covers an area of 500x180m with roughly 1 anti-tank projectile per 20m2. Could massacre entire armored groups if used correctly.

  • British Aerospace Vulcan B.Mk 2
    Type: Medium Range Bomber

    21x 454kg GP bomb

    - not really sure about this one. Its really old and was retired by UK airforce around 82-84.

  • Mirage IV
    Type: Medium Range Bomber

    16x 454kg GP bomb

    - Better more modern than the obsolete vulcan. Could also carry 4x AS.37 Martel ARM with a range of 120km. Im not sure what Max would have to say about this one however.

  • Harrier
    not really sure of the armament, however it is capable of VIFF (thrust vectored in forward flight) giving it extreme turn rates. Usefull in A2A I guess.

    CF-18 Hornet (Canada) EF-18A Hornet (Spain)
    Type: Tactical Fighter-Bomber

    4 x Raytheon AIM-7M Sparrow
    Medium Range Air to Air Missile
    2 x Raytheon AIM-9M Sidewinder
    Short Range Air to Air Missile

    Fully armed a2a variant of the Hornet. Used by Canada and Spain. Didnt really want to add other variants for a2g missions as there are plenty of other EA aircraft for that but could also replace the AIM-7s with either:

    2 x Texas Instruments AGM-88A HARM
    Anti Radiation Missile
    OR
    6 x Hughes AGM-65B Maverick
    Anti Tank Guided Missile


    Mirage 2000
    Type: Tactical Fighter

    2/3x Matra Super 530D
    Medium Range Air to Air Missile
    2x Matra R550 Magic
    Short Range Air to Air Missile

    Used by France and Grece. Could help out the Tornado although the Matra Super 530 is still outranged by the R-27. Matra Super 530D being a 46km SARH air to air missile. Typically two were carried although a third could be carried in the centerline replacing a fuel tank. Matra R550 is a short range dogfight missile roughly comparable to the AIM-9L.

    - Thanks to iceHawk for the Info on above Aircraft! (again )

  • Cheiftan Mk.5
  • Challenger I
  • PzGranaders
  • SAS
  • Mirage
  • UK Land Rovers
  • M-109 A2 Howitzer
  • AIFV 25mm cannon/Milan/PC
  • M 113 Carrier
  • CVR-T Scimitar/Spartan
  • Pandur
  • VBCL
  • A-109 Agusta
  • Alpha Jet
  • Lynx
  • PzH2000
  • AS90
  • LARS
  • MARS
  • Bandkanone 1A
  • FH70
  • FH77
  • Roland
  • Bloodhound
  • Blowpipe
  • Gepard
  • GCT
  • F-104
  • CH-47
  • vespas
  • 2CV - HA!
  • Opel Manta
  • as550 fennec
  • 240GD
  • Saab Draken




If anyone feels they could add some info to units already on the list, could they please PM it to me? If any are blank, that just means that i'm finishing it at another time , some names are just copy/paste from you're posts, and will probably change when I check them later

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I think this is a great idea.

OK lets see, ill start off simply with some tanks:

Leopard I & II are a must, AMX 30 or 10 and Panhard ERC, Cheiftan Mk.5(?)

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Good Idia 901!

Germans tanks: Leopard (dont know hwat better)
ifnantry: PzGranaders.
SF units: SAS!
Plans: Mirage
Reco units: UK Rovers


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Since I am from Belgium I feel obliged to reply to this dude that said we only had weed (in the aircraft armament comment thread).
I think he was french and we all know they're chauvinists. Eitherway, Belgium may not be big, but we got some nice materials:

M-109 A2 Howitzer
AIFV 25mm cannon/Milan/PC
Leopard 1A5
M 113 Carrier
CVR-T Scimitar/Spartan
Pandur
VBCL

F-16 Falcon
C-130 Hercules
A-109 Agusta
Alpha Jet

This is a good site to check out the Belgian army materials...

EDIT: i know some of them are already incorporated in the mod by the other sides, but i just posted them here just so you know... (and because sweln flamed my country). But there are some units worth watching... like the Agusta and of course the Leopard...

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Like I said in the other thread as well, we won't use the same units for two sides. Check our unitlist ...


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Tanks: Leo I and II
Air: Tornado GR1
Helo: Lynx

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Zitat:
Since I am from Belgium I feel obliged to reply to this dude that said we only had weed (in the aircraft armament comment thread).


I just made a stupid joke for the other countries. Sorry for the bother.

And I love Belgium, and the best comics come from there. You know Franquin?

Well, in facts I'm canadian, and have a direct german parent. I just live in France. ^^:

Why french stuff? Because french don't use US stuff (not much i guess) and because of unitlist restrictions it is practicle to use all the french warfare. And like for german warfare, and also why not Italian stuff too! (Mangusta and hirundo)

Even though, the second problem is that europe doesen't have that much good stuff against Us and Russia. What can Europe use against Hind and A10?

The saab and mirage planes are poor stuff against what the other sides have, at the 80's time... and i dont even think of the gazelle, way too old!

It's only recently that the european countries decided to get good warfare like Leclerc, eurofighter, Tiger heli, Nh90 and other stuff. Not to talk about out to date french helis! ^^:

The only thing i know about good warfare in europe is the very well trained troops, which can use mostly anything with the best skills. And the best material. Just see belgiums guns and the french guns.

But what can be done for europa is this :

1- Most of the europe's warefare coming out today was planned and already working in the 80's.
The only thing that makes these weapons not on the scene at the time, and still nowadays is the non priority for having fast all this stuff. Budget politics in europa make things come very slowly done.

2- If we consider war time, and war crisis, no doubt all what is planned would be done much much faster.

3- We can imagine that the europa side could have some shit units at the beguining, with just very good and fast infantry, and then after numerous and expensive building upgrades have a very good balanced units that should have been seen a decade after.

4- This could balance the game, permit having an interresting side with infantry playing on start with the best armoured buildings (who can say that european houses get wiped off when there's too much water?) and then catch up the tech with the best heli, good multipurpose tanks (leclerc is a very fast tank) and correct planes (I guess specialist will tell me what europe has or will have for for good flying stuff).

5- But there is many many different vehicles in europa, and not much aircraft. So it will be hard to make an unitlist.

I think of the tiger, leopard, leclerc, mangusta, and other stuff.


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Just in case someone noticed, I changed the thread name to UNofficial, since we're not gonna discuss about the EA before the other two sides are finished.


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Hmm, does anyone know about european Artillery systems ?
I mean, anyone except Max ?

As the PzH2000 and AS90 are to knew and since the
MARS is only a german MLRS, I've tried to find alternatives
and came across the swedish "Bandkanone 1A" (IOC unknown)
and the "FH70" and "FH77" ( 1978/1980s)


Originally by sweln
What can Europe use against Hind and A10?

Well, "against" them we have various SAMs like Roland,
Bloodhound, Blowpipe etc. and the good ol' Gepard.


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Backbone of european ari was the M109...

Good choices would be the german LARS, french GCT and the US M110.


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I meant what do europeans have for same type as the a10 and the Hind? Europe doesen't have any good attack heli at the time...


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i would say that they would use the SEPCAT Jaguar and the Tornado Gr1 for ground attack since thay dont have a dedicated attack helo.

BTW: could the F-104 be included somehow

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I know, I know. I only wanted to make a joke

Well, who said all the sides need a counterpart for each
others units ? Maybe the Euros get a significant advantage
someplace else.

Edit:

@ Trophy_Wench

That bugger didn't get it's nicknames "Witwenmacher"
(widowmaker) and "Erdnagel" (ground nail) for nothing ...
It was obviously so delicate to handle that it crashed from
the slightest errors by the pilots.
If you understand german, you might want to check this page.

But it would surely be funny if your planes crashed
randomly for no reason !
I read that in an ironical statement about videogames


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CH-47 Chinook!

it's not in the US unitlist and Holland and some other countries have it too


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That's why i was thinking about very good infantry for EA.

On the other hand i still maintain the idea for newer units for EA, as explained somewhere else.

What does the team think about it?


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Zitat:
Originally posted by Trophy_Wench


BTW: could the F-104 be included somehow


Ah, the F-104 was a crappy plane!
Cause of its small wings it can't carry much weapons.
But worst of all: it usually crash

@Field: Yeah! The Chinook would be great
Denmark have it too

Would it be too unreal if EA had Dirt-Bikes (like GLA) but insted it should be manded by two soldiers: a Driver and a soldier wit a rifle

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Zitat:
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Ah, the F-104 was a crappy plane!

Would it be too unreal if EA had Dirt-Bikes (like GLA) but insted it should be manded by two soldiers: a Driver and a soldier wit a rifle


I've heard enough. F-104 Starfighter wasn't a crappy plane. Towards the pilot it was demanding and rewarding to fly. On many sources starfighter is described as "cheap, lightweight, maneuverable and high-performance fighter." In skilled hands, of course. And yes, it had and has some problems, such as the fact that it wasn't forgiving towards the pilot. Even small mistake made by the pilot could result in stall and crash.

And if it was a crappy plane, why would so many countries decide to use it? (for example Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Spain, Japan...)

Sure, some airforces lost nearly half of their starfighters due to crashes, but it was mainly about the users. for example the spanish airforces lost none.

And about the dirtbike.. The guy sitting on a back with a rifle would have to be a superman just to stay on the bike and shoot his rifle simultaneusly. Not to mention shooting his rifle accurately..

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Ach... the Widowmaker ( ) was a crappy plane...

It was called "manned rocket" at the beginning, since its speed and climb rate were phenomenal.
But turning... uh...

The Starfighter made a really crappy fighter (Max points to the funny ASAs), but it was a good tactical fighter.

Why it was exported/license built that much? The term "cheap" comes into mind...

EDIT:
We are getting into the "maxwells corner" direction...

I meant that the Starfighter made a really crappy air superiority fighter....


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About EA's dirt bikes, I think italian bomb vespas should be appropriate, and rocket 2CV too.
And don't understimate the power of the famous german Opel Manta with the uberkartoffeln 30mm mounted machinegun. And with bicolored paintings, I'd say black and yellow, for realism. (I have one in Germany).

The starfighter should be implemented, as some first cheap plane to have. Just in case you have to shoot down some too soon coming helis.

There was many of these planes around so with some little realism there should be some in the game.

I think maxwell and the team should edit a prior unitlist for EA, so that we have a better base to argue with.


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heheh that german article was funny

But serously even though i agree with all of you that it would be crappy, i was thinking, what if you used it in the same capacity as the SR-71 and have it as some sort of recce plane you could build them or it could be some sort of generals ability or something. Ok enough with that

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